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A. Hairyhanded Gent's avatar

I think you raise very important points.

I would like to observe that, assuming that what you say about the male role is accurate--and 77 years of life lead me inevitably to that conclusion--we've done two things that need to be remedied.

1) We have given over the role of passing values, and included among these, traditional masculine values that at the core preceded language--to educators. We have allowed this to happen--they did not initially take this away. Within my experience it started with the idea of civil rights for blacks, which came out of the schools. The goal was fine; we are dealing with humans and they need to be treated accordingly, but at that time, Trojan-horsed with lessons to be decent to blacks was the very beginning of the moral authority of academia in all areas of what is correct to think and believe.

It has gone on without any real popular push-back since that time, and like any entity without discipline, has become self-indulgent, immature, and arrogant. A lot like Caligula.

2) And this one is worse, still.

There are "male traits". I believe that they are evolved to enable survival within an indifferent environment. These include aggression, sexual dominance, opportunism, and energy unbridled by an excess of empathy. These traits, practiced at a societal level, produced ascendant cultures.

These traits have been identified by society and academia at all levels, as *negative*, to be done away with, and to feel shame if you find yourself moved by the instinctive appeal of these traits.

It becomes hard to argue against in today's society because it's true that in modern times, an *excess* of these traits is counter to an ordered and functional society. So the way it had worked up until post-modern times was that society, as represented by the legal system, culled off the excess of these trait. It was like pruning off the shoots below the graft of a citrus tree. But in the smug total absence of these traits, the society becomes weak, effeminate, and lacking the will to cohesion such as is needed for the culture to survive.

It is where I think we are now,

What's needed is not a surgical removal of these traits from society, but a moderating in scale of what is acceptable, and this is, and should be, by laws, alone, not smarmy shaming sessions and concellation.

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Dave Wise (Neoteric Wood Art)'s avatar

I really enjoy following this rational discussion of the "bootstrap" kerfuffle. You are all doing a great service to our younger generations. Thank you!

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