I find John Dillinger to have been preferable to Lucky Luciano. Plus, he was native born. Lucky Luciano cut his deals and ended up being deported. John Dillinger died like a man, cut down by a fusillade of G man bullets.
Let's concentrate on our own people. We really do want to make America great again.
If the wealthy incoming president of another country assigned two even richer unelected men to shrink the government, many Americans might conclude that the government of that country was about to be made the exclusive property of oligarchs.
They might take comfort in the fact that the least rich of the three is the one in charge. But oligarchy in some fashion is pretty much an inevitability. It’s what the Senate was intended to be.
We might be better off if we could just admit America is an oligarchy. Not because oligarchy is good but just to be more honest about what our country is.
He apparently made his fortune from a stock scam, bagging billions from American pensioners.
He doesn’t have any skill other than mimicking his pajeet concept of what successful businessmen should be, in other words, he watched Wall Street and agreed “greed is good”
He is nothing but a turd from the turd world in a suit.
We all know you can’t polish a turd, eventually it falls apart, revealing nothing but a pile of shit.
They love the “free market” for labor as they distort the market by flooding it with cheaper labor rather than allowing the labor pool to fill as wages rise in accordance with demand. Supply and demand for me, but not for thee.
He also has a dodgy history in finance, companies 'inventing' things no-one has heard of mysteriously collapsing once he's made his money. He's very successful - a successful pajeet. He's dissembled scammed and lied his way to the top. Trump and Musk have demonstrable successes behind them, whether you like them or not.
The Tiger children in Vancouver go to school, come home immediately. They do homework for about five hours a day. Diligently. They have no chance to learn how to interact with others.
The upside of having a shortage of people who are bright, motivated, and talented, is that such people get overpaid -- which gives them the slack to do more than their day jobs.
I made the mistake of pursuing my muse (physics) instead of cashing in on my coding skills back when such skills were a straightforward path to low risk money. I should have made the money and then worked on that warp drive.
Perhaps before you build a time machine you need to perfect cloning and brain transfer, thereby giving yourself unlimited time to build a time machine.
Easier: get a bunch of y'all signed up for my Facebook killer and I can fund all sorts of reactionary goodness, including non-woke schools, off-grid tech, and cars which aren't spyware on wheels.
I did the same thing. Left physics for engineering, then left engineering for finance. I thought that a academia was a place I could explore ideas, but the politics was stifling. I was working 60-80 hours a week at a sub-standard salary just to be considered for tenure. Finance is were the real money is, and it certainly doesn't take a physicist to do the job.
What’s worse is actually achieving something in the physics/engineering space that is cutting edge and all you get is a pat on the back. Good for the soul but not the bank balance.
This is the kind of reasoning that I believe could convince both Elon and Vivek to reevaluate their views. But twitter always devolves to a shouting match, and rarely does anyone take the time to read thoroughly something that conflicts with their preformed opinion.
Here's some possibly valid context regarding Indian people imports I read a couple days ago: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think . I'd imagine many Indians seeking to leave and immigrate are, in fact, intentionally fleeing such conditions, however. Many are also, on the other hand, probably just narrowly seeking goodies and personal advancement.
That aside, techies like Ramaswamy and Musk (and Gates and Thiel and Zuckerberg, etc.) all have a certain lingering dangerous smell to them -- maybe it is from too much confidence, too little caution, and not enough (moderating) real responsibility to and for others.
I don’t know any rich people personally, so I try very hard to keep suppositions about their motives limited to public statements and reasoned inference. I think they’re generally bright and well-meaning people with a bit of indifference to the wider effects of their schemes. Musk is doing the smart thing letting the public talk back to him. He’s not afraid to hold his ideas up to scrutiny, which speaks to his intellectual courage if nothing else.
If Musk continues to keep Twitter an open forum (and I think that's why he bought it), and he also goes through with the techbros' fantasies of importing H1Bs by the millions, he will end up in a war on his own platform with just the people he needs to actually pull off what he's trying to do.
I think he's smarter than that, though the other techbros probably aren't, and the South Asians always flood a company/industry with their own as soon as they get the chance regardless of the effect it'll have.
Whenever Indians gain control of a space, they immediately begin to build India. Replete with caste system, overpopulation, stifling bureaucracy, and terribly low productivity.
(Corollary: Wherever Americans gain control of a foreign space, we begin to build America. With all its good and its bad.)
I've known a couple very rich people, and your "...bit of indifference to the wider effects of their schemes" colored quite a bit of what was my personal experience with them.
With regard to Musk's ideas -- note that he: 1) took the COVID injection(s), and 2) is reportedly now taking Ozempic or some other like drug. Those actions, in my opinion, are both markers of too little caution (and too little intellectual rigor), if nothing else.
I've known a handful of the rich. There are two types: the managerial elite (CEOs, CFOs) and entrepreneurs. The managerial elite can be summed up in one word - narcissist. They are difficult to deal with and not nearly as smart and talented as they believe themselves to be. The entrepreneurs have various personalities, but they are invariably all risk takers, and that's what differentiates them. Often it's crazy, audacious risks. One bet his house in a poker game and lost. Him and his family were forced to live with relatiives for a little while, but he simply moved on to more risk taking (amazingly his wife didn't divorce him). This type of personality is not thinking about the consequences of failure. They shrug it off any concerns.
I know a few. They vary. The second richest guy I know told me outright he just wanted to get rich and didn’t care even a little what that did to other people. After retiring he mellowed out a lot. The richest is very positive-sum in his dealings but isn’t stressing about the consequences.
The lesser rich I know, 7-8 figures, are guys who did well with a startup or real estate. They’re conscientious but otherwise normal.
thank you very much for the link, it is a great article. I am not Indian, but I travelled there extensively enough to attest to the truth of the article. Yet, I cannot fully agree with it.
Neither can I with Vivek or the librarian.
So here I am, yet again, disagreeing with the people I agree with the most.
I will have to write a post about it 😉
What all three are missing is what Elon Musk calls first principle thinking; finding the root of the problem before trying to solve it.
India will be the hard one to tackle.....
I live in a small town in Ontario, (~150K population) with a now sizeable Indian community, mostly Punjabis and Gujaratis going to collage. I have some hope for them.
Well, if you believe in the karmic cycle of rebirth, every Brahmin got where he was by correctly fulfilling his dharma in a former life. They could ask about that on the application.
This is exactly the rhetoric Brahim have used to keep the other 95% of the population from getting uppety. Look up varna. Your argument is only about… oh, 2,000 years old.
PS - Islam and Christianity became widely popular throughout India because it was one of the few ways to escape from the oppressive system imposed by hereditary eugenicists. RESEARCH on Brahmin hiring practices has already established the Brahmin in Silicon Valley are already falling back on the full-scale implementation of Hindu varna.
I work with an Indian network security dude. Let's call him Ram. It's rude to ask, but I pretty well know, Ram is from the military caste; and his family have been guards for a thousand years. He is today, likewise, a guard.
I've worked with many iterations of Ram's caste archetype over the years. Always in the same role. These guys are nothing at all like American network security dudes. No curiosity, no bigger picture awareness. But reliable.
The Brahmins (the top bosses are always Brahmins) understand this caste, and trust its members for this role. Caste system org chart.
Brahmins are the equivalent of straight white males in the Indian context. Convenient scapegoat for all problems. And everyone in India marries within their own caste so where are you getting this eugenics take from? Oh, and don't presume that Brahmins are the majority of H1B immigrants either.
Read the Zero Hedge article. I wonder if the confusion the author describes re: positive vs. negative rights partly explains politicians like Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), one of The Squad:
“As they are introduced to the concept of rights, they shift from accepting their wretched lives to adopting a resentful, victim mentality.”
The author of the Zero Hedge article would probably say this shift is consistent with the dominant dog-eat-dog 'morality' he's observed in India: if someone is fool enough [i.e., 'weak' enough] to admit a person has a right to something, that's a very clear weakness to be exploited immediately. No self-restraints on behavior in this system, just external restraints. Sounds politically familiar to me.
In this current battle of the elites, we’ve exchanged woke technocratic managerialism for slightly more based technocratic managerialism. I hope nobody was operating under the false pretense that we (i.e. the not-technocrats) were actually winning in all of this.
No one is talking about deporting everyone with darker skin than a paper bag regardless of citizenship status. Everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Boeing Starliner.
First, you dispense with the people who want you dead. That's the most important thing, and success is in sight.
Then you can look at the people who stepped into the breach, and use the elites you fostered during the (still arriving) change to make the next set of changes. And so on.
Religion and philosophy are powerful precisely because they play out over longer arcs. The Right needs to OWN those things. Liberalism can't. Managerialism, of whatever flavor, can't. As technocratic managerialist Thiel likes to say: strive to build a de facto monopoly. Do it on a timescale that will pace several cycles of change. While building very local power at the same time, and remaining open to thinking while others close. Victory will come.
Until about a month and a half ago, most of us thought that about now Harris would be naming her Czar of Rounding Up Deplorables and announcing planned executive orders to fill those ranks with everything from red flag rulings to unvaxxed status. I'm having a hard time feeling bad about the alternative just because feeling bad is what our side is best at doing out of habit.
Agreed. They're vastly better than the alternative, and if having them involved means Americans need to speak up loudly against this one really bad idea, at least it's not every bad idea imaginable.
Well put. One thing that our side seems to do more than the Left is to form circular firing squads. Considering the bullet we collectively dodged (more like a 16-inch naval shell), I’m feeling pretty good.
Very well said! My God, did he miss all the disturbing ambivalence of Whiplash. And he’s not even holding up Screech and Urkel as nerd exemplars. Vivek’s true nerd exemplar is Tracy Flick of Election, the monomaniacal check-all-the-boxes striver.
On a more serious note, the “c” issue is a lack of competition and consequences. Living on Chinese credit and cheap consumer goods, leveraged by reserve currency status, with no actual peer enemies, just fake ones, life is a game without stakes, and competition devolves into credentialism and hierarchy-climbing.
Do you think Renaissance men built the platform and technology we are all staring at right now or the kids from the science fair?
I worked in software development for a while and it was HARD. The backend technology was difficult but the design of the front end was more challenging. There were many creative people who spent hours working on designing products people love and are pleasing to view. I wouldn’t call any of these people, from the groups of engineers in India to the Americans, Israelis and Romanians I worked with, mediocre. Many of them had varied interests aside from the day jobs., from backgrounds in military intelligence to world travelers, fluent in multiple languages to board game designers. And they were some of the nicest people I ever worked with.
The very idea of a science fair emerges from a wholistic mindset that seeks to integrate science into society in useful and edifying ways. It’s not something that someone who knew science and nothing else would envision.
Most of us are mediocre, and compared to the truly great nearly all of us are. But all of us can aspire. The lack of vision, of wanting more than what economic benefit a narrow specialization can get you, is what separates the objectively mediocre from the situational. An education focused on reductive skill acquisition turns men into bonsai trees.
Can argue all day like old farts about "this lazy generation" but what's needed it to recapture the foul commie-rotted institutions that are draining their pride and creativity. Purple haired, nose-ringed land whale with a teacher's cert keeps telling a kid he's a scum white supremacist, and his nation is a rayciss criminal enterprise, the defeated or worse, activista attitude he takes away is likely one that will make Marcuse and Freire smile from their Satanic cesspits.
People hate when I say it, but the Bolshevism isn’t half the problem the neoliberalism is. Both are essentially materialist systems that posit economics as the defining feature of human life. One thinks individualism is a bug, the other a feature, but they both actively erode human excellence for ideological reasons.
I think it's an Occam's Razor thing. Slice into neo-liberalism, you find Bolshevism. Next down the pit, you find Enlightenment error. Slice into that, you find Reformation theologically narcissistic metastatic "oops." Next, Gnostic heresy. Deeper, Canaanite child-sacrificing pagan abomination. Slice further, the guy in red tights pops out, greets you with a sweeping bow., asks "what kept you?"
"If you’re winning the Math Olympiad but you can’t bench the bar, talk to a girl, interpret a poem, or discus a novel, you’re a mediocre human. You might be useful to Vivek Ramaswamy, but you’re of little use to yourself or your society, however much money you make. We don’t need to import such people, but we certainly don’t need to produce them here either. American society has its flaws, but it got where it is because, at its best, it fostered a culture of freedom and discipline tempering one another in the souls of young men and women who aimed for higher things."
Education is always about the person, and about the citizen and the common good. Part of that is work and one's station, yes. But to narrow it down to that only shows how obsessed the culture is with slaves, and should put on note how desperate our State is for such servitude in this late stage empire.
They're looking for the Mexicans of the Tech Industry. White collar workers might not like this being put forward so bluntly, but that's what you've created - the drywallers and carpenters of tech. In the same way that tape measures now come with markers on it that we Americans think are convenient for showing where studs go - Mexicans don't need know anything about structural support, code, or even how to read! Frame by color.
The same is true of so many of our work place activities now. Coding now has programs where you don't need to know the code to help you. To make websites they have other programs made to assist. Plug and play. Code by number. Just like the Mexicans framing.
And so, the Immigration issue has finally come to white collar. While I'm glad they're finally awake to the pain that the blue collar workers have been feeling for years, and hope that all the reforms get done (not just the H1bs), it's frustrating that no one cared about it when they could live like a Lord of the Middle Ages, paying pennies for lawn care, house construction, etc.
It's like people never realized that the corrosion would eventually come for them. The beast ever grows more hungry for slave labor and blood to eat.
“If the only point of education is to elevate your consumption habits, then any great undertaking will necessarily fail, not due to technical incompetence, but to weakness of the spirit.”
Also, this is comes after telling white men for years and years that they aren’t wanted in a lot of fields (directly, through acceptance into schools, through scholarships, etc) so there’s that…it’s extreme gaslighting to create a system where the people can’t win, but then tell those people they’re lazy & now you have to import non lazy people to do the jobs.
The greatest of the early astronauts and adventurers e.g. Kittinger, Yeager were pilots who fought in WW2 and Vietnam - they weren't Hollywood 'jocks' i.e. oafs, they were highly capable, fit and motivated men not retarded nerds who didn't wash. Ramaswamy wants children who are little more than meat calculating machines who speak in bullet points.
I'm sick and tired of coloured foreigners telling Anglo-Saxons how we should order our lives. These people don't seem to understand that their presence in our countries is a symptom of the problem at not its cure.
The discussion here and on x-titter, has prompted me to take, not exactly a contrarian view, but one on a slightly different track - training vs education.
I took a BSc Eng (batchelors degree in the science of engineering) before I realised (duh) that my country had almost no chemical industry. The government had just taken a policy decision to develop one, had incentivised two out of five universities to train engineers for it, and I was a premaure result.
I was rescued by IBM, the unlikely white night, at a time when there were exacly zero general purpose computers installed in my country's universities. To their credit, IBM hired me, even though they were targeting post office (switchgear) technicians because the local market was just getting into unit record (punched card) systems.
IBM, then controlled by the fabulously wealthy Watson family, understood that they needed people who were trained to THINK [!] rather than technicians and that training such people for their specilized needs would pay off. What's more, during the ensuing months of training they paid me more money per month than I had ever had in my pocket to spend during any one year previously - and raised my salary when I completed trainingg. And they kept on doing it in formal classrooms taught by subject matter experts throughout my career with IBM. Regrettably, IBM is now just another soulless global tech company.
My point: Elon and Vivek are fabulously wealthy. Someone please tell me why they have not founded training academies for what their businesses need, where students who can pass a basic cognitive skills test are paid while in training? It cannot possibly be because there are not enough suitable Americans, it cannot possibley be because it would not pay off for them as well as the country, and it cannot possibly because they don't want loyal and productive employees who do more than code.
There is a very important distinction to be made between training and education that has existed since the days of the ancient Greeks (τέχνη vs. παιδεία). Training teaches one to execute some skill in a prescribed manner. Education cultivates the soul and brings it into harmony with reason. Turning the latter into the former is a major project in American education and I don’t think people really appreciate the harm that causes.
Well said, but there is also the harm caused by bad education - that's yet another project and yet another debate. For this discussion, the distinction between education and training does not imply that they can be separated from each other in the process of learning - I apologise for saying it because I am sure you know it. For the benefit of others who may think I am just being a dick, allow me to elaborate. When I learned my ABCs I was taught not just how to recognise the different letters of the alphabet but how to pronounce them and I had to practise drawing them shakily many times until I developed my own handwriting - education and training together. Therefore, none of what I tried to say should imply that technical academies do not educate as well as train. I was briefly involved with a Technical School for electricians where I taught electrical theory and learned at the same time how to wire a building without burning it down - they belong together within the confines of of what is being taught. As the beneficiaries with the most to gain by it, mega businesses have a duty to contribute to Making Americans Great Again as the very foundation upon which to Make America Great Again (assuming they actually BELIEVE in that). If they need H1B visas in the meantime, we can live with it, but the goal should be to phase them out as the default source of IT skills.
If Ramaswamy was a struggling middle-aged man with an unusual name, would anyone listen to him?
No. The only reason people do is because he's rich.
He's preaching a tech version of prosperity gospel: Do your math and you can be rich too.
Pretending that the boat loads of H1Bs being shipped in to suppress wages are the best and brightest is pretty laughable to anyone who works in tech.
Exactly. And nobody voted for tech bros to involve themselves in immigration; we voted for a moratorium and sealed borders.
I find these oligarchs to be preferable to Soros and that Swiss dude.
I find John Dillinger to have been preferable to Lucky Luciano. Plus, he was native born. Lucky Luciano cut his deals and ended up being deported. John Dillinger died like a man, cut down by a fusillade of G man bullets.
Let's concentrate on our own people. We really do want to make America great again.
If the wealthy incoming president of another country assigned two even richer unelected men to shrink the government, many Americans might conclude that the government of that country was about to be made the exclusive property of oligarchs.
They might take comfort in the fact that the least rich of the three is the one in charge. But oligarchy in some fashion is pretty much an inevitability. It’s what the Senate was intended to be.
We might be better off if we could just admit America is an oligarchy. Not because oligarchy is good but just to be more honest about what our country is.
Bingo.
He apparently made his fortune from a stock scam, bagging billions from American pensioners.
He doesn’t have any skill other than mimicking his pajeet concept of what successful businessmen should be, in other words, he watched Wall Street and agreed “greed is good”
He is nothing but a turd from the turd world in a suit.
We all know you can’t polish a turd, eventually it falls apart, revealing nothing but a pile of shit.
They love the “free market” for labor as they distort the market by flooding it with cheaper labor rather than allowing the labor pool to fill as wages rise in accordance with demand. Supply and demand for me, but not for thee.
He also has a dodgy history in finance, companies 'inventing' things no-one has heard of mysteriously collapsing once he's made his money. He's very successful - a successful pajeet. He's dissembled scammed and lied his way to the top. Trump and Musk have demonstrable successes behind them, whether you like them or not.
I do believe you're saying that you think Ramaswami ( intentional ) is a bit of a carney.
Yes - in Britain we'd call him a 'spiv'
The Tiger parenting I have seen up close. It produces mediocrities. Good quality mediocrities. But they also are usually hostile and anxious.
I'm sometimes astonished by how these people with such high grades can lack such basic knowledge about the world around them. It's astonishing
And that creates the obedient caste members they need. What Vivek describes is a technocratic caste of narrow but highly trained ability.
It’s a silly thing to want at this point since AI will fill that role soon.
The Tiger children in Vancouver go to school, come home immediately. They do homework for about five hours a day. Diligently. They have no chance to learn how to interact with others.
Autistic women who can’t look you in the eye.
The upside of having a shortage of people who are bright, motivated, and talented, is that such people get overpaid -- which gives them the slack to do more than their day jobs.
I made the mistake of pursuing my muse (physics) instead of cashing in on my coding skills back when such skills were a straightforward path to low risk money. I should have made the money and then worked on that warp drive.
Doh!
Just build a Time Machine and go back. I can’t even do math and I know that much!
I need time to build the time machine!!
Perhaps before you build a time machine you need to perfect cloning and brain transfer, thereby giving yourself unlimited time to build a time machine.
Easier: get a bunch of y'all signed up for my Facebook killer and I can fund all sorts of reactionary goodness, including non-woke schools, off-grid tech, and cars which aren't spyware on wheels.
I did the same thing. Left physics for engineering, then left engineering for finance. I thought that a academia was a place I could explore ideas, but the politics was stifling. I was working 60-80 hours a week at a sub-standard salary just to be considered for tenure. Finance is were the real money is, and it certainly doesn't take a physicist to do the job.
What’s worse is actually achieving something in the physics/engineering space that is cutting edge and all you get is a pat on the back. Good for the soul but not the bank balance.
- SMART THINKING — NOW …!!! ANYTHING WRONG WITH - “BOTH” **** ?????
This is the kind of reasoning that I believe could convince both Elon and Vivek to reevaluate their views. But twitter always devolves to a shouting match, and rarely does anyone take the time to read thoroughly something that conflicts with their preformed opinion.
Once he sees I compared him to Batman, he’ll no doubt be flattered enough to accept all of my ideas.
Yes, but that picture of Bruce in bed with Dick might put him off.
Here's some possibly valid context regarding Indian people imports I read a couple days ago: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think . I'd imagine many Indians seeking to leave and immigrate are, in fact, intentionally fleeing such conditions, however. Many are also, on the other hand, probably just narrowly seeking goodies and personal advancement.
That aside, techies like Ramaswamy and Musk (and Gates and Thiel and Zuckerberg, etc.) all have a certain lingering dangerous smell to them -- maybe it is from too much confidence, too little caution, and not enough (moderating) real responsibility to and for others.
I don’t know any rich people personally, so I try very hard to keep suppositions about their motives limited to public statements and reasoned inference. I think they’re generally bright and well-meaning people with a bit of indifference to the wider effects of their schemes. Musk is doing the smart thing letting the public talk back to him. He’s not afraid to hold his ideas up to scrutiny, which speaks to his intellectual courage if nothing else.
If Musk continues to keep Twitter an open forum (and I think that's why he bought it), and he also goes through with the techbros' fantasies of importing H1Bs by the millions, he will end up in a war on his own platform with just the people he needs to actually pull off what he's trying to do.
I think he's smarter than that, though the other techbros probably aren't, and the South Asians always flood a company/industry with their own as soon as they get the chance regardless of the effect it'll have.
Culture is real & important.
Whenever Indians gain control of a space, they immediately begin to build India. Replete with caste system, overpopulation, stifling bureaucracy, and terribly low productivity.
(Corollary: Wherever Americans gain control of a foreign space, we begin to build America. With all its good and its bad.)
I've known a couple very rich people, and your "...bit of indifference to the wider effects of their schemes" colored quite a bit of what was my personal experience with them.
With regard to Musk's ideas -- note that he: 1) took the COVID injection(s), and 2) is reportedly now taking Ozempic or some other like drug. Those actions, in my opinion, are both markers of too little caution (and too little intellectual rigor), if nothing else.
I've known a handful of the rich. There are two types: the managerial elite (CEOs, CFOs) and entrepreneurs. The managerial elite can be summed up in one word - narcissist. They are difficult to deal with and not nearly as smart and talented as they believe themselves to be. The entrepreneurs have various personalities, but they are invariably all risk takers, and that's what differentiates them. Often it's crazy, audacious risks. One bet his house in a poker game and lost. Him and his family were forced to live with relatiives for a little while, but he simply moved on to more risk taking (amazingly his wife didn't divorce him). This type of personality is not thinking about the consequences of failure. They shrug it off any concerns.
I know a few. They vary. The second richest guy I know told me outright he just wanted to get rich and didn’t care even a little what that did to other people. After retiring he mellowed out a lot. The richest is very positive-sum in his dealings but isn’t stressing about the consequences.
The lesser rich I know, 7-8 figures, are guys who did well with a startup or real estate. They’re conscientious but otherwise normal.
thank you very much for the link, it is a great article. I am not Indian, but I travelled there extensively enough to attest to the truth of the article. Yet, I cannot fully agree with it.
Neither can I with Vivek or the librarian.
So here I am, yet again, disagreeing with the people I agree with the most.
I will have to write a post about it 😉
What all three are missing is what Elon Musk calls first principle thinking; finding the root of the problem before trying to solve it.
India will be the hard one to tackle.....
I live in a small town in Ontario, (~150K population) with a now sizeable Indian community, mostly Punjabis and Gujaratis going to collage. I have some hope for them.
I will post the link here in a comment
This isn't about "Indians." It's about Brahmin... hereditary eugenicists. What part of "hereditary eugenicists" sounds like meritocracy.
Well, if you believe in the karmic cycle of rebirth, every Brahmin got where he was by correctly fulfilling his dharma in a former life. They could ask about that on the application.
This is exactly the rhetoric Brahim have used to keep the other 95% of the population from getting uppety. Look up varna. Your argument is only about… oh, 2,000 years old.
PS - Islam and Christianity became widely popular throughout India because it was one of the few ways to escape from the oppressive system imposed by hereditary eugenicists. RESEARCH on Brahmin hiring practices has already established the Brahmin in Silicon Valley are already falling back on the full-scale implementation of Hindu varna.
I work with an Indian network security dude. Let's call him Ram. It's rude to ask, but I pretty well know, Ram is from the military caste; and his family have been guards for a thousand years. He is today, likewise, a guard.
I've worked with many iterations of Ram's caste archetype over the years. Always in the same role. These guys are nothing at all like American network security dudes. No curiosity, no bigger picture awareness. But reliable.
The Brahmins (the top bosses are always Brahmins) understand this caste, and trust its members for this role. Caste system org chart.
Not rude to ask. It's necessary to ask. Indians know castes just by names. Yes. Even Indian _names_ reveal their caste status.
Brahmins are the equivalent of straight white males in the Indian context. Convenient scapegoat for all problems. And everyone in India marries within their own caste so where are you getting this eugenics take from? Oh, and don't presume that Brahmins are the majority of H1B immigrants either.
"First of all, at the very top of the list of H1B visa holders in the USA, Indians are present in the highest numbers."
https://stilt.com/immigrants/h1b-visa-holders-in-usa/
https://cis.org/North/H1B-Hiring-Bias-within-Bias-Discrimination-within-Discrimination
Read the Zero Hedge article. I wonder if the confusion the author describes re: positive vs. negative rights partly explains politicians like Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), one of The Squad:
“As they are introduced to the concept of rights, they shift from accepting their wretched lives to adopting a resentful, victim mentality.”
The author of the Zero Hedge article would probably say this shift is consistent with the dominant dog-eat-dog 'morality' he's observed in India: if someone is fool enough [i.e., 'weak' enough] to admit a person has a right to something, that's a very clear weakness to be exploited immediately. No self-restraints on behavior in this system, just external restraints. Sounds politically familiar to me.
In this current battle of the elites, we’ve exchanged woke technocratic managerialism for slightly more based technocratic managerialism. I hope nobody was operating under the false pretense that we (i.e. the not-technocrats) were actually winning in all of this.
We have to be clear about what winning looks like, and it will look different to different people in some ways.
We may be winning in the “local maximum” sense, but we’re still losing in the big picture “what is good for the future of humanity” sense.
Exactly.
No one is talking about deporting everyone with darker skin than a paper bag regardless of citizenship status. Everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Boeing Starliner.
There's an Order of Operations to this stuff.
First, you dispense with the people who want you dead. That's the most important thing, and success is in sight.
Then you can look at the people who stepped into the breach, and use the elites you fostered during the (still arriving) change to make the next set of changes. And so on.
Religion and philosophy are powerful precisely because they play out over longer arcs. The Right needs to OWN those things. Liberalism can't. Managerialism, of whatever flavor, can't. As technocratic managerialist Thiel likes to say: strive to build a de facto monopoly. Do it on a timescale that will pace several cycles of change. While building very local power at the same time, and remaining open to thinking while others close. Victory will come.
Until about a month and a half ago, most of us thought that about now Harris would be naming her Czar of Rounding Up Deplorables and announcing planned executive orders to fill those ranks with everything from red flag rulings to unvaxxed status. I'm having a hard time feeling bad about the alternative just because feeling bad is what our side is best at doing out of habit.
I’m definitely not blackpilling like some. I think on the balance Musk and Ramaswamy are positives for the country, even with some bad ideas.
Agreed. They're vastly better than the alternative, and if having them involved means Americans need to speak up loudly against this one really bad idea, at least it's not every bad idea imaginable.
Well put. One thing that our side seems to do more than the Left is to form circular firing squads. Considering the bullet we collectively dodged (more like a 16-inch naval shell), I’m feeling pretty good.
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention."
Specialization is for insects.
Many people never specialize in anything. Yet they are not generalists.
Instead, they're just incompetent all-around.
But they know the problem with overspecialization and rip on the nerd for engaging in it.
So much social conflict is driven by masters of none who antagonize the masters of one.
Meanwhile, the experts of some are nowhere to be found.
Very well said! My God, did he miss all the disturbing ambivalence of Whiplash. And he’s not even holding up Screech and Urkel as nerd exemplars. Vivek’s true nerd exemplar is Tracy Flick of Election, the monomaniacal check-all-the-boxes striver.
Was Screech even that smart compared to the others? I mean, they all went to college. I’m really doubting his critical sense.
I’m confident he never watched Saved By The Bell b/c his Mom wouldn’t let him.
On a more serious note, the “c” issue is a lack of competition and consequences. Living on Chinese credit and cheap consumer goods, leveraged by reserve currency status, with no actual peer enemies, just fake ones, life is a game without stakes, and competition devolves into credentialism and hierarchy-climbing.
Do you think Renaissance men built the platform and technology we are all staring at right now or the kids from the science fair?
I worked in software development for a while and it was HARD. The backend technology was difficult but the design of the front end was more challenging. There were many creative people who spent hours working on designing products people love and are pleasing to view. I wouldn’t call any of these people, from the groups of engineers in India to the Americans, Israelis and Romanians I worked with, mediocre. Many of them had varied interests aside from the day jobs., from backgrounds in military intelligence to world travelers, fluent in multiple languages to board game designers. And they were some of the nicest people I ever worked with.
The very idea of a science fair emerges from a wholistic mindset that seeks to integrate science into society in useful and edifying ways. It’s not something that someone who knew science and nothing else would envision.
Most of us are mediocre, and compared to the truly great nearly all of us are. But all of us can aspire. The lack of vision, of wanting more than what economic benefit a narrow specialization can get you, is what separates the objectively mediocre from the situational. An education focused on reductive skill acquisition turns men into bonsai trees.
Can argue all day like old farts about "this lazy generation" but what's needed it to recapture the foul commie-rotted institutions that are draining their pride and creativity. Purple haired, nose-ringed land whale with a teacher's cert keeps telling a kid he's a scum white supremacist, and his nation is a rayciss criminal enterprise, the defeated or worse, activista attitude he takes away is likely one that will make Marcuse and Freire smile from their Satanic cesspits.
People hate when I say it, but the Bolshevism isn’t half the problem the neoliberalism is. Both are essentially materialist systems that posit economics as the defining feature of human life. One thinks individualism is a bug, the other a feature, but they both actively erode human excellence for ideological reasons.
I think it's an Occam's Razor thing. Slice into neo-liberalism, you find Bolshevism. Next down the pit, you find Enlightenment error. Slice into that, you find Reformation theologically narcissistic metastatic "oops." Next, Gnostic heresy. Deeper, Canaanite child-sacrificing pagan abomination. Slice further, the guy in red tights pops out, greets you with a sweeping bow., asks "what kept you?"
"If you’re winning the Math Olympiad but you can’t bench the bar, talk to a girl, interpret a poem, or discus a novel, you’re a mediocre human. You might be useful to Vivek Ramaswamy, but you’re of little use to yourself or your society, however much money you make. We don’t need to import such people, but we certainly don’t need to produce them here either. American society has its flaws, but it got where it is because, at its best, it fostered a culture of freedom and discipline tempering one another in the souls of young men and women who aimed for higher things."
Education is always about the person, and about the citizen and the common good. Part of that is work and one's station, yes. But to narrow it down to that only shows how obsessed the culture is with slaves, and should put on note how desperate our State is for such servitude in this late stage empire.
They're looking for the Mexicans of the Tech Industry. White collar workers might not like this being put forward so bluntly, but that's what you've created - the drywallers and carpenters of tech. In the same way that tape measures now come with markers on it that we Americans think are convenient for showing where studs go - Mexicans don't need know anything about structural support, code, or even how to read! Frame by color.
The same is true of so many of our work place activities now. Coding now has programs where you don't need to know the code to help you. To make websites they have other programs made to assist. Plug and play. Code by number. Just like the Mexicans framing.
And so, the Immigration issue has finally come to white collar. While I'm glad they're finally awake to the pain that the blue collar workers have been feeling for years, and hope that all the reforms get done (not just the H1bs), it's frustrating that no one cared about it when they could live like a Lord of the Middle Ages, paying pennies for lawn care, house construction, etc.
It's like people never realized that the corrosion would eventually come for them. The beast ever grows more hungry for slave labor and blood to eat.
“If the only point of education is to elevate your consumption habits, then any great undertaking will necessarily fail, not due to technical incompetence, but to weakness of the spirit.”
Gold. 🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Also, this is comes after telling white men for years and years that they aren’t wanted in a lot of fields (directly, through acceptance into schools, through scholarships, etc) so there’s that…it’s extreme gaslighting to create a system where the people can’t win, but then tell those people they’re lazy & now you have to import non lazy people to do the jobs.
The greatest of the early astronauts and adventurers e.g. Kittinger, Yeager were pilots who fought in WW2 and Vietnam - they weren't Hollywood 'jocks' i.e. oafs, they were highly capable, fit and motivated men not retarded nerds who didn't wash. Ramaswamy wants children who are little more than meat calculating machines who speak in bullet points.
I'm sick and tired of coloured foreigners telling Anglo-Saxons how we should order our lives. These people don't seem to understand that their presence in our countries is a symptom of the problem at not its cure.
The discussion here and on x-titter, has prompted me to take, not exactly a contrarian view, but one on a slightly different track - training vs education.
I took a BSc Eng (batchelors degree in the science of engineering) before I realised (duh) that my country had almost no chemical industry. The government had just taken a policy decision to develop one, had incentivised two out of five universities to train engineers for it, and I was a premaure result.
I was rescued by IBM, the unlikely white night, at a time when there were exacly zero general purpose computers installed in my country's universities. To their credit, IBM hired me, even though they were targeting post office (switchgear) technicians because the local market was just getting into unit record (punched card) systems.
IBM, then controlled by the fabulously wealthy Watson family, understood that they needed people who were trained to THINK [!] rather than technicians and that training such people for their specilized needs would pay off. What's more, during the ensuing months of training they paid me more money per month than I had ever had in my pocket to spend during any one year previously - and raised my salary when I completed trainingg. And they kept on doing it in formal classrooms taught by subject matter experts throughout my career with IBM. Regrettably, IBM is now just another soulless global tech company.
My point: Elon and Vivek are fabulously wealthy. Someone please tell me why they have not founded training academies for what their businesses need, where students who can pass a basic cognitive skills test are paid while in training? It cannot possibly be because there are not enough suitable Americans, it cannot possibley be because it would not pay off for them as well as the country, and it cannot possibly because they don't want loyal and productive employees who do more than code.
There is a very important distinction to be made between training and education that has existed since the days of the ancient Greeks (τέχνη vs. παιδεία). Training teaches one to execute some skill in a prescribed manner. Education cultivates the soul and brings it into harmony with reason. Turning the latter into the former is a major project in American education and I don’t think people really appreciate the harm that causes.
Well said, but there is also the harm caused by bad education - that's yet another project and yet another debate. For this discussion, the distinction between education and training does not imply that they can be separated from each other in the process of learning - I apologise for saying it because I am sure you know it. For the benefit of others who may think I am just being a dick, allow me to elaborate. When I learned my ABCs I was taught not just how to recognise the different letters of the alphabet but how to pronounce them and I had to practise drawing them shakily many times until I developed my own handwriting - education and training together. Therefore, none of what I tried to say should imply that technical academies do not educate as well as train. I was briefly involved with a Technical School for electricians where I taught electrical theory and learned at the same time how to wire a building without burning it down - they belong together within the confines of of what is being taught. As the beneficiaries with the most to gain by it, mega businesses have a duty to contribute to Making Americans Great Again as the very foundation upon which to Make America Great Again (assuming they actually BELIEVE in that). If they need H1B visas in the meantime, we can live with it, but the goal should be to phase them out as the default source of IT skills.