The explanation of the IQ extremes is very helpful in understanding the uncomfortable experience of meeting someone who shares some of your opinions, but is so unpleasant and strident that it becomes almost embarrassing to know that this person is nominally on your side. Thank you.
"What I hope for here is that the idiots will peacefully and respectfully make their way over to non-rightist outlets and engage in a meaningful dialogue with them."
I've been trying in my own way to explain to the right that there has never been a better time to learn new things, improve oneself and fulfill one's abilities. What is standing in the way is mostly the self, one's perspective and habits. Magic, Dion Fortune said, is the Art of changing consciousness in accordance with Will. If you don't have the life you want, then change yourself so you can get it.
That said, you have helped change my thinking. The more I think about it, in the spirit of the Age of Aquarius, the WaterBearer, I think they need a Rain King.
IQ is measuring the order-perceiving faculty, what seculars call “pattern recognition” and what Aristotle was closer to the essence of when he described the ability to generate metaphor as the sure sign of intelligence.
The “idiot right” and urban underclass left alike perceive, accurately, that something has gone very wrong and that they are on the losing end of something. Each party points the anger in a self-serving direction. I don’t really think the correct response is “sic our guys on their guys”; that just ends in whatever the right wing equivalent of Black Lives Matter is.
I think the “anti-intellectualism” which is the “idiot right”’s defining characteristic is born from the fact that the email jockeys and other bureaucrats of the world, whether they work for the government or corporations, don’t really work in any meaningful sense and the elaborate self-justifications inspire stuttering rage. I find this relatable. Mending our society’s broken relationship between work and compensation — the social contract — is the only thing that will help everyone calm down.
The sad truth that many of the “educated” people encountered by idiot rightists IRL insist that men in dresses are women (among many stupid ideas) does not foster respect for education, to put it mildly.
Yeah, anecdotally, this rings plausibly about the distribution of rightists. I’m surprised at how many rightoids I encounter on here who are oblivious to making subtle qualitative distinctions when it comes to their reasoning, especially with certain flashpoint issues like the Jews. It’s like they’re stunted when it comes to that, and they really have no idea what they don’t know and any recourse to examine what they’re assuming. I say this as someone who has a middling intellect, but I’ve worked half my life on midwit-maxing my informal logical reasoning.
I also suspect social media, especially with advertising, overstimulates and oversolicits our cognitive faculties, and we’ve all become adept at quickly filtering what we want, like, or are interested in from the opposite online, with dopamine hits reinforced in self-curated feeds rewarding the former kind of content over the latter. It’s almost certainly a sub-rational heuristic. I imagine how we’ve become conditioned online to swipe right or left/like or scroll is not at all conducive to the critical and careful thinking characteristic of high intelligence. Nuance in politics, history, philosophy, etc. becomes increasingly difficult to assimilate under this habitual cognitive schema.
How delightfully wicked! I love the idea of redirecting the "idiot right." It is extremely unsettling to watch those buffoons attacking the folks actually accomplishing positive things for the country. Old H.L. Mencken, with his "booboisie" must be smiling in Perdition these days! It's certainly true that it has never been easier (or more rewarding) to be a master of the mob. If I were only a couple of decades younger....
I get that you're tongue in cheek and blowing off steam, but you're doing here the same thing marxist and technocrat intellectuals do in assuming the lower/uneducated class are the natural footsoldiers for your revolution, and that you are the natural elite.
It's very difficult to lead, in a virtuous hierarchy, people you hold in contempt.
What I would like is for good men with appropriate qualities to lead, and care for the people they are leading, and to be followed by people who respect and trust them. If your aim is to cultivate men like that, I don't think you'll get there by encouraging this sort of effeminate academic condescension. Instead I would say focus on the cultivation and trust that when that work is done the rest will fall in line and follow their example.
I was intrigued by your comment that "they tend to gravitate toward beliefs that people they don’t like abhor, like National Socialism." I've been noticing a trend lately where some on the right try to argue that Nazism is on the left, usually because "socialism" is in the name. Any thoughts on this?
I like the Operation SS idea. However, can it be accomplished without a leader? Do we need a Pied Piper of idiot rightists leading them off to battle?
There’s an argument that Nazism was some sort of left phenomenon; John Lukacs argued as much. But the wignats don’t go in for that sort of thing. For them, Hitler is the misunderstood right wing genius of history who did nothing wrong. Interestingly, the only other people who believe this are Indians.
I think the key to making Operation SS work is to steer them towards commie stacks that will actually engage with them. The Bulwark et. al. will just ignore or block them, and the idiots will only keep up their bridge building if the people on the other side pay attention to them. You don’t need any leaders for this, just some collective effort with hints and nudges.
true intelligence, the kind that can be valuable to a society or movement, isn’t a raw trait one was born with, but the ability to take in information, notice patterns and synthesize that into and understanding that is useful.
I know a few genius level guys who excel in math and engineering, but are functionally retarded in any other area outside their expertise.
the future won’t belong to the specialists, it will belong to the wise.
"The idiot right is conditioned primarily by fear."
Why not make an effort to haul that back around to faith, family, apple pie, and the American Way? Patriotism is for everyone, and... it's not a bad thing.
Very interesting. From the (very) limited reading I've done on the subject, I know that people high in conscientious and industriousness tend to end up on the right. I wonder if there are specific personality profiles that apply to the idiot right. Much higher disagreeableness? High in neuroticism but low in openness?
You are pointing to something real as far as the midwit PMC language-game subservience versus greater variance among those not beholden to it, but to claim it as a comprehensive revival of specifically right-wing intellectuals is imprecise (though understandably self-serving).
The reason for the increasing gender gap in politics is quite clear and obvious: the life expectancy for GenX and Millenial cohort white men has declined because of a spike in mortality rates due to deaths of despair - suicides and substance abuse. Considering linear progress is a promise from civilization, and life expectancy is a pretty good metric thereof, this is clearly deeply concerning. Meanwhile, unless a person is very stupid or silenced by cancellation risk, they know that DEI policy has been a major cause of this.
And so as a result, because the Democrats, and many left-wing parties in Europe, are pushing this existentially dire, well quite literally homicidal, policy, opposition becomes a natural unifying political force. One would have to really hate oneself (i.e. be a male feminist) to believe that "you know what, I deserve to die earlier!", i.e. support DEI.
Beyond this, the male unity becomes fragmented ideologically. It spans the spectrum, and even abstracts away from it. That famous graph on viewpoint diversity clusters I think simply mislabels "right wing"
Opposition to the "Great Awokening" (in your terminology "gay race communism") includes not just the Right and classical liberals in the center but includes heterodox anti-Marxism leftism (Bourdieu to Al-Gharbi), accelerationist decadence (DeepLeftAnalaysis), and Blue Dog working-class advocacy (Maria Perez).
This can be seen from how ideologically incoherent, as far as an economic policy bundle, many "right wing populist" are (on free trade, the welfare state, etc.)
My own politics (roughly: Michael Magoon Progress Studies is 99% right on policy, but it probably won't ever be implemented, so I'm rather apolitical and operationalizing Evola Tiger Riding with guides of Aaron Clarey) doesn't fit the left-right taxonomy, and that's not uncommon.
The explanation of the IQ extremes is very helpful in understanding the uncomfortable experience of meeting someone who shares some of your opinions, but is so unpleasant and strident that it becomes almost embarrassing to know that this person is nominally on your side. Thank you.
"What I hope for here is that the idiots will peacefully and respectfully make their way over to non-rightist outlets and engage in a meaningful dialogue with them."
Brilliant plan - I hope it proves effective!
"They view the world as aligned against them and work hard to make that a reality..."
ROFL - Perfect, you win the Internet for the day! Funny because it's true for all stripes and persuasions, so I'm stealing it.
I've been trying in my own way to explain to the right that there has never been a better time to learn new things, improve oneself and fulfill one's abilities. What is standing in the way is mostly the self, one's perspective and habits. Magic, Dion Fortune said, is the Art of changing consciousness in accordance with Will. If you don't have the life you want, then change yourself so you can get it.
That said, you have helped change my thinking. The more I think about it, in the spirit of the Age of Aquarius, the WaterBearer, I think they need a Rain King.
IQ is measuring the order-perceiving faculty, what seculars call “pattern recognition” and what Aristotle was closer to the essence of when he described the ability to generate metaphor as the sure sign of intelligence.
The “idiot right” and urban underclass left alike perceive, accurately, that something has gone very wrong and that they are on the losing end of something. Each party points the anger in a self-serving direction. I don’t really think the correct response is “sic our guys on their guys”; that just ends in whatever the right wing equivalent of Black Lives Matter is.
I think the “anti-intellectualism” which is the “idiot right”’s defining characteristic is born from the fact that the email jockeys and other bureaucrats of the world, whether they work for the government or corporations, don’t really work in any meaningful sense and the elaborate self-justifications inspire stuttering rage. I find this relatable. Mending our society’s broken relationship between work and compensation — the social contract — is the only thing that will help everyone calm down.
The sad truth that many of the “educated” people encountered by idiot rightists IRL insist that men in dresses are women (among many stupid ideas) does not foster respect for education, to put it mildly.
Yeah, anecdotally, this rings plausibly about the distribution of rightists. I’m surprised at how many rightoids I encounter on here who are oblivious to making subtle qualitative distinctions when it comes to their reasoning, especially with certain flashpoint issues like the Jews. It’s like they’re stunted when it comes to that, and they really have no idea what they don’t know and any recourse to examine what they’re assuming. I say this as someone who has a middling intellect, but I’ve worked half my life on midwit-maxing my informal logical reasoning.
I also suspect social media, especially with advertising, overstimulates and oversolicits our cognitive faculties, and we’ve all become adept at quickly filtering what we want, like, or are interested in from the opposite online, with dopamine hits reinforced in self-curated feeds rewarding the former kind of content over the latter. It’s almost certainly a sub-rational heuristic. I imagine how we’ve become conditioned online to swipe right or left/like or scroll is not at all conducive to the critical and careful thinking characteristic of high intelligence. Nuance in politics, history, philosophy, etc. becomes increasingly difficult to assimilate under this habitual cognitive schema.
How delightfully wicked! I love the idea of redirecting the "idiot right." It is extremely unsettling to watch those buffoons attacking the folks actually accomplishing positive things for the country. Old H.L. Mencken, with his "booboisie" must be smiling in Perdition these days! It's certainly true that it has never been easier (or more rewarding) to be a master of the mob. If I were only a couple of decades younger....
I get that you're tongue in cheek and blowing off steam, but you're doing here the same thing marxist and technocrat intellectuals do in assuming the lower/uneducated class are the natural footsoldiers for your revolution, and that you are the natural elite.
It's very difficult to lead, in a virtuous hierarchy, people you hold in contempt.
What I would like is for good men with appropriate qualities to lead, and care for the people they are leading, and to be followed by people who respect and trust them. If your aim is to cultivate men like that, I don't think you'll get there by encouraging this sort of effeminate academic condescension. Instead I would say focus on the cultivation and trust that when that work is done the rest will fall in line and follow their example.
They’re not bad people, really. I’m just thinking about how to maximize everyone’s potential.
I didn’t say they were low class; I said they were dumb.
There’s definitely a difference in those two things!
Treat the morons like children. "No, you may not light that M80 in your hand."
I was going to suggest that maybe someone (not any of us of course) could "eliminate" the idiots. But your idea sounds better.
I was intrigued by your comment that "they tend to gravitate toward beliefs that people they don’t like abhor, like National Socialism." I've been noticing a trend lately where some on the right try to argue that Nazism is on the left, usually because "socialism" is in the name. Any thoughts on this?
I like the Operation SS idea. However, can it be accomplished without a leader? Do we need a Pied Piper of idiot rightists leading them off to battle?
There’s an argument that Nazism was some sort of left phenomenon; John Lukacs argued as much. But the wignats don’t go in for that sort of thing. For them, Hitler is the misunderstood right wing genius of history who did nothing wrong. Interestingly, the only other people who believe this are Indians.
I think the key to making Operation SS work is to steer them towards commie stacks that will actually engage with them. The Bulwark et. al. will just ignore or block them, and the idiots will only keep up their bridge building if the people on the other side pay attention to them. You don’t need any leaders for this, just some collective effort with hints and nudges.
you make a great point.
true intelligence, the kind that can be valuable to a society or movement, isn’t a raw trait one was born with, but the ability to take in information, notice patterns and synthesize that into and understanding that is useful.
I know a few genius level guys who excel in math and engineering, but are functionally retarded in any other area outside their expertise.
the future won’t belong to the specialists, it will belong to the wise.
"The idiot right is conditioned primarily by fear."
Why not make an effort to haul that back around to faith, family, apple pie, and the American Way? Patriotism is for everyone, and... it's not a bad thing.
You really nailed it with this installment. 👍👍
Very interesting. From the (very) limited reading I've done on the subject, I know that people high in conscientious and industriousness tend to end up on the right. I wonder if there are specific personality profiles that apply to the idiot right. Much higher disagreeableness? High in neuroticism but low in openness?
I chalk it up to them beating around the bush, knowing the concept is the right way but being so obtuse they can’t see the forest for the trees!
You are pointing to something real as far as the midwit PMC language-game subservience versus greater variance among those not beholden to it, but to claim it as a comprehensive revival of specifically right-wing intellectuals is imprecise (though understandably self-serving).
The reason for the increasing gender gap in politics is quite clear and obvious: the life expectancy for GenX and Millenial cohort white men has declined because of a spike in mortality rates due to deaths of despair - suicides and substance abuse. Considering linear progress is a promise from civilization, and life expectancy is a pretty good metric thereof, this is clearly deeply concerning. Meanwhile, unless a person is very stupid or silenced by cancellation risk, they know that DEI policy has been a major cause of this.
And so as a result, because the Democrats, and many left-wing parties in Europe, are pushing this existentially dire, well quite literally homicidal, policy, opposition becomes a natural unifying political force. One would have to really hate oneself (i.e. be a male feminist) to believe that "you know what, I deserve to die earlier!", i.e. support DEI.
Beyond this, the male unity becomes fragmented ideologically. It spans the spectrum, and even abstracts away from it. That famous graph on viewpoint diversity clusters I think simply mislabels "right wing"
https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1lvgcsq/there_is_more_diversity_of_thought_on_the_right/
Opposition to the "Great Awokening" (in your terminology "gay race communism") includes not just the Right and classical liberals in the center but includes heterodox anti-Marxism leftism (Bourdieu to Al-Gharbi), accelerationist decadence (DeepLeftAnalaysis), and Blue Dog working-class advocacy (Maria Perez).
This can be seen from how ideologically incoherent, as far as an economic policy bundle, many "right wing populist" are (on free trade, the welfare state, etc.)
My own politics (roughly: Michael Magoon Progress Studies is 99% right on policy, but it probably won't ever be implemented, so I'm rather apolitical and operationalizing Evola Tiger Riding with guides of Aaron Clarey) doesn't fit the left-right taxonomy, and that's not uncommon.
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